Response to y-jesus.com

Haha...an anonymous poster left a comment on my last post and provided the link below, which attempts to prove Jesus rose from the dead.

http://www.y-jesus.com/body_count1.php




Well, first they start off by start off by saying:

"Jesus told his disciples that he would be betrayed, arrested, and crucified and that he would come back to life three days later. That’s a strange plan! What was behind it? Jesus was no entertainer willing to perform for others on demand; instead, he promised that his death and resurrection would prove to people (if their minds and hearts were open) that he was indeed the Messiah."



Well...we can never know if Jesus made this prediction at all. Jesus's prediction and anything else he did easily could've been fabricated by those who wrote the Bible. Why do religious people just assume that everything in the Bible is true? Jesus may have actually done a tiny fraction of the things the Bible claims he did. Just because the Bible says he predicted his death and resurrection, that doesn't mean it actually happened. They act as if the Bible is just as reliable as an audio recoring or video that was recorded last week. A story that was written by someone around A.D. 80 is not the most reliable source for anything. I wouldn't trust anything that is so old and unverifiable.




They claim this is how Jesus died on the cross:

"Jesus hung there for approximately six hours. Then, at 3:00 in the afternoon—that is, at exactly the same time the Passover lamb was being sacrificed as a sin offering (a little symbolism there, you think?)—Jesus cried out, “It is finished” (in Aramaic), and died. Suddenly the sky went dark and an earthquake shook the land."




Seriously? An earthquake shook the land? If that doens't sound like a made-up fairy tale, I don't know what does. So the Bible claims to know the exact time Jesus died? How can a book so old that could've been fabricated by anyone be taken as fact.

Let's see where it goes from here.




They go on to say:

"Some have proposed that Jesus lived through the crucifixion and was revived by the cool, damp air in the tomb–“Whoa, how long was I out for?” But that theory doesn’t seem to square with the medical evidence. An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association explains why this so-called “swoon theory” is untenable: “Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicated that Jesus was dead."




HISTORICAL AND MEDICAL EVIDENCE?!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What evidence? Because the Bible says so? A bunch of old writings from over 2000 years ago qualify as evidence?




It then says:

"If Jesus’ body was anywhere to be found, his enemies would have quickly exposed the resurrection as a fraud. Tom Anderson, former president of the California Trial Lawyers Association, summarizes the strength of this argument:

"With an event so well publicized, don’t you think that it’s reasonable that one historian, one eye witness, one antagonist would record for all time that he had seen Christ’s body? … The silence of history is deafening when it comes to the testimony against the resurrection."19

So, with no body of evidence, and with a known tomb clearly empty, Morison accepted the evidence as solid that Jesus’ body had somehow disappeared from the tomb."





What?!! How can anyone possibly claim to analyze "evidence" and accounts that happend around 2000 years ago?!!!! So just because some old writings claimed something happened, we are supposed to believe them as fact?!!! Any number of fabrications could've been produced around that time to make it seem as though any of these things happened, even if they did not.




Another line:

"Each eyewitness account reports that Jesus suddenly appeared bodily to his followers..."



EYEWINESS ACCOUNTS?!!!! Seriously? 2000-year-old "eyewitness accounts" are supposed to be reliable? NO WAY! AGAIN - eyewitness accounts could've easily been fabricated as well...why are we supposed to believe any of these "eyewitness accounts" are even real?




Another ridiculous quote:

"Later, according to the eyewitness accounts, all the disciples saw Jesus on more than ten separate occasions. They wrote that he showed them his hands and feet and told them to touch him. And he reportedly ate with them and later appeared alive to more than 500 followers on one occasion."



Again - "eyewiness" accounts which could've been easily fabricated, and are unverifiable.





They go on:

"Legal scholar John Warwick Montgomery stated, “In 56 A.D. [the Apostle Paul wrote that over 500 people had seen the risen Jesus and that most of them were still alive (1 Corinthians 15:6ff.). It passes the bounds of credibility that the early Christians could have manufactured such a tale and then preached it among those who might easily have refuted it simply by producing the body of Jesus.”



So just becasue Paul wrote something around 2000 years ago, we are supposed to believe it's true? Again, "Paul" or whoever wrote these things, could've easily made it all up. They keep referring to the body of Jesus and how its absence proves the story to be true...how is that?

I could write a story on a piece of paper that says a man named Dave died and rose from the dead in 2008. I could then include in that story that many people verified it and there were witnesses. I can then bury that story in the ground for someone to find 2000 years from now - when someone finds it in 2000 years, are they supposed to believe it just because it's written on a piece of paper?





Another quote:

"Bible scholars Geisler and Turek agree. “If the Resurrection had not occurred, why would the Apostle Paul give such a list of supposed eyewitnesses? He would immediately lose all credibility with his Corinthian readers by lying so blatantly.”




AGAIN WITH THE SUPPOSED "EYEWITNESSES." No one stops to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Paul made up a list of names?!!!! How can anyone verify that these named eyewitnesses are real? In my Dave story, I could easily make up a fake list of 3000 witnesses and bury it along with the story...why would the people who find this list in 2000 years have any reason to believe it's true? HAHAHA!!! This is some funny stuff! I have to take a break from this for a while...this is just too funny.




OK...I'm back for some more laughs.


They go on to say:

"As if the eyewitness reports were not enough to challenge Morison’s skepticism, he was also baffled by the disciples’ behavior. A fact of history that has stumped historians, psychologists, and skeptics alike is that these 11 former cowards were suddenly willing to suffer humiliation, torture, and death. All but one of Jesus’ disciples were slain as martyrs. Would they have done so much for a lie, knowing they had taken the body?"


OK...any number of things could explain the disciples "baffling" behavior...here are a couple of possibilities:

Maybe the disciples were just plain crazy - I don't know why people never consider the possibility that the people in the Bible who do strange things might've just been insane. Many religious people over the years have done strange things in the name of their religions. The people of the Heaven's Gate cult all killed themselves because of their beliefs...did everyone in the world believe they were right just because their actions were so drastic? HELL NO! WE ALL JUST CONCLUDE THAT THEY WERE CRAZY NUT-JOBS!!! No one considers the fact that the disciples were just an older version of the Heaven's Gate people - nut-jobs!

Another explaination for the disciples strange actions - maybe the story never even happened and is completely made up....ANYONE EVER CONSIDER THAT? EVER CONSIDER THAT MAYBE THE BIBLE IS ENTIRELY FAKE? WHY WOULDN'T YOU CONSIDER IT?

The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years and had more than 40 different authors....does that sound like a book that has any credibility? The Bible HAD OVER 40 AUTHORS!!!! IT WAS WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO!!! IT COULD VERY WELL BE A COMPLETE FAIRY TALE!!!! WHY CAN'T PEOPLE CONSIDER THIS OBVIOUS POSSIBILITY?!!!



They go on further, but I can't take this anymore...I can't find one bit of information in this thing that is solid and reliable...nice try, religious fanatics.