Thursday, April 23, 2009

VenomFangX

VenomFangX is a vlogger on Youtube who attempts to prove the existence of god and that Christianity is the correct religion. He claims that Christianity is the correct religion because the Bible predicts things that happen in the future. One of the things he says the Bible predicted is the resurrection of Christ - well, first of all, we know Christ was never resurrected because we know that resurrection is impossible. Second, even if it was true that Christ was resurrected, there would be no way to prove it...the only thing that says Christ was resurrected is the Bible itself...and no one can prove that anything in the Bible is true.

Someone please prove to me that any of the supernatural occurances in the Bible actually happened...you can't. Give me a specific prophecy that we can prove the Bible predicted (and I mean a SPECIFIC prophecy...not a vague one).

3 comments:

Unknown said...

Hi Kramer

Unfortunately, your logic in this post is quite flawed.

Firstly, you say that we know that Christ was never resurrected because we know that resurrection is impossible.

You are rejecting the resurrection because you have decided that the resurrection is impossible. But how could anyone prove the resurrection of Christ if the evidence that is required to prove it rejected a priori?

It would be similar to someone saying that the earth is not a sphere because it is impossible for the earth to be a sphere. It is just circular reasoning.

Secondly, you say that no one can prove that anything in the Bible is true.

Well that is just patently false. For example, in Acts 18:12-17, a title is ascribed to an individual as Gallio, Proconsul of Achaia. For a long time, it was asserted that this designation was impossible. However, an inscription at Delphi was discovered that describes the title and dates for this person exactly as in Acts.

So this one fact, alone, is reason enough to reject your absolute claim that nothing in the Bible can be proved.

You request a 'SPECIFIC prophecy' that can be proved the Bible predicted.

Well... see Daniel 2:37-42 which names actual, real empires in succession before they existed. See Isaiah 44:22-45:1 where Cyrus is predicted by name before the events described.

Ezekiel 26:3-14 predicted the destruction of Tyre long before it happened -- and provides specific detail about how that would happen.

These are just a few and they are:

1. more than a vague guess
2. more than just reading a trend
3. they are highly unusual and not normally expected

So you are quite incorrect to say that it is not possible to demonstrate a Bible prediction.

kramer said...

we know resurrection is impossible because it goes against the laws of nature and physics (resurrection has never been proven to be possible, or even suggested to be possible).

No one has ever been recorded being resurrected. It has not been documented or observed in any way that can be proven...so it's safe to say resurrection is impossible.

Honestly - if you think resurrection is possible, you are either crazy or a moron. You really believe a person can be dead for a long period and then come back to life magically? Just by admitting to that, you are admitting to being quite insane.

kramer said...

Secondly...I'm not saying NOTHING in the Bible can be proven, but none of the "supernatural occurrences" can be proven.

Here's the thing about all of the Bible's prophecies - do you really know when the predictions were made and when those predictions actually came to "fruition?"

How do we know the Bible wasn't altered in some way after those occurances to contain the prophecies? The Bible and everything in it happened so long ago, there is no way to prove the order in which it was written, or if it has been altered along the way in order to make its prophecies seem to be true.

So...unless the Bible predicted a MODERN OCCURRANCE that happened in recent times (long after the completion of the Bible's writing), none of it's prophecies are valid. Give me a Bible phrophecy that came true recently (in the last 100 years).

You can't, can you? Well, how convenient...now that we have all the resources to record and prove such an occurrence, the Bible can't predict one. Doesn't that tell you something?